Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

In the grand traditions of this thread, I'll go ahead and cross-post my own take on the subject:

I really don't think we need a separate Wooden Working Watercraft category. If you want to talk about wooden workboat design, you can post it in Designs/Plans. If you want to talk about constructing or fixing wooden workboats, you can put it into Building/Repair. If you want to talk about a particular type of boat from a certain area or a particularly famous boat or Captain, you can put it into the People & Places category. If you were looking for parts or something to fix your own wooden working watercraft, then you could post an inquiry under Resources/Product Search. If you just want to post pretty pictures of interesting wooden working boats and you're not sure where else to file it under, there is a category called Misc. Boat Related where such things fit perfectly.

Then of course, if you'd really just rather argue and squabble, hurl insults and invective, and denounce and demean anyone who happens to disagree even slightly with your own pet theories and prized notions, there is this category called the Bilge. So you see, the forum's already got it covered. No new topic heading is necessary.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

In keeping with his earlier approach, McMullen's contribution speaks for itself.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Of course it does! Why else would I write it? I take pride in hand-crafting those mellifluous phrases and cunning word sequences that need no outside explanation. Somehow though, I get the suspicion that you are using "speaks for itself" in way to imply some obscurely derogatory connotation since I have had the temerity to disagree with you. . . .but I'm afraid I haven't really figured out what it is.

Anyhoo, this contribution is also intended to speak for itself.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

McMullen,

Findability of a coherent body of information/narratives on a most serious subject by the commercial/political 'customer'/seeker of relevant info is a real problem.

By the time you are done disintegrating the issue of Wooden Working Watercraft into all these headings, nobody from the outside will find their way into this Forum in expectation of a concise narrative of what this Forum has collected on such wooden craft.

There is no formal Thread-headline-writing convention to efficiently guide the seeker; even you or I get to pen what we like... which is not always easy to retrieve casually by the uninitiated.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Maybe you're finding this to be a problem for your customers, but I don't see why this ought to be subsidized by the Wooden Boat Forum population at large.

If you really want to have a coherent body of information/narratives supporting your particular interest in foam-cored, plywood and epoxy wooden working craft, why don't you hire an internet marketing specialist to build you a website and database to promote this? Our own Tim (Yeadon) does work like this. You could absolutely rule this specific topic and make it so that your site comes up on the first page of Google every time by various strategems and techniques. On your own website, you can choose to delete or censor any contrary opinions at will, and furthermore, you could institute your own rigid and formal Thread-headline-writing convention so as to guide the seeker straight down the funnel of your web until he is snared by your indisputable logic and you can inject him with the chelicerae of righteous plywood workboat building.

Here on an open forum where people have a whole bunch of idiosyncratic and personal opinions doesn't seem to suit you.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Do you really understand what it is you are writing because I have absolutely no idea, and one of your latest ideas, this with writing in bold all the time, is it because you are angry or what.
If you are angry, maybe you should just take a break from the forum and leave everybody in peace for a little while and come back with some more possitive energy

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

IMHO wikipedia is the best internet mechanism for storing, organising and browsing various bits of human knowledge... It's a pitty there is not much on working boats yet. If anyone had some text or illustrations of any value for the subject, why not enter it over there?

Forums are extremely valuable - for sharing experience, then for discussions. But are not a very good substitute for books, encyclopedias, museums, practical training, seminars and so on...

Regards,
m

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

we ,my son and i have a 73 ft wood mfv that we work ,this forum is a mine of info ,the feel i get is ,if its wood and floats varnished or tar`d there is a interest and willing to help , so as a wood work boat user i feel the forum covers my interests ,as it is.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Susanne, Maybe you could just start your own website under that title.. or were you headed in that direction to begin with???

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Despite the various 'sporting' propositions and ever-accelerating(downward) spirals of however gratifying speculations, the proposal is just as plain as stated in various sober submissions. Excitability of various folks notwithstanding, a simple reading of most of those should settle any concerns.

Of course McMullen's quest will remain only revealed to himself. And he's got a long way to go...

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

¿Do you ever get tired of yourself?:eek:

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Ich ergebe mich!

I think it's time for me to bow out and let Susanne declare victory to her vast league of supporters.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

I tossed in a response early on, in the nature of "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." And called it good.

The thread went on so long I thought I'd check back in to see if something worthwhile had occured. Nope. this is a pointless, useless idea, whose debate has disintegrated to namecalling and personal attacks.

If I were moderator, I'd lock it up and shut it down, in its several incarnations.

Fortunately, it is easy to ignore, which is where I am heading now.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Who is he?

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

How did you do the upside down question mark? I want one of those.

Oh dear pathetic termite, one must not declare oneself infirm, not in the face of such vapid fecundity. Much is left to explore, to determine the location one must go whence upon completion. Si se puede.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Some good may come of this after all. At least for those who don't know about Windows alt key codes.

¡Sí se puede!

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Its all about Susanne, that is the whole point! :eek:

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Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Yeadon, I´m using a Spanish computer. pretty easy. ¿? ¡! ñ

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Yeah, I´ve noticed that. It can be difficult to get out of viscious circles.
Hopefully she´ll get better.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Aldebaran is in Spain, his keyboard will have it on a key along with ç ~ and a few others
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Oops! missed Ald's reply.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

perhaps a poll is in order

just a thought

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

This thread has become ignominious.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

The simplest way is to simply let the thread sink. Stop responding and it dies on its own.

This will be my last post here. Unless, of course, I post again.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

kenjamin: The 'auteurs' are on the record, with full 'standing' in this WB-Forum and all. Odd phenomenon, doing this in public. One should indeed hope that they 'will get better'...

So how would they erase this E-Trail of embarassment though ? To recall just a few 'bon-mots' volunteered:
- "aluminum is better..."
- "...what about 'stress-risers'..." (from a cabinet-maker I seem to recall)
- "...this Thread is an evil plot..." (uniquely Erster)
- "... let folks blindly search the whole site-archive"... (without any designator/header to search by) to piece together a fractured fraction of what could have been be the available knowledge-base of the WB-Forum.

FYI, Ledger has closed his Thread 'Wooden working craft around the world" under "Misc.".
Already bored with with the subject after spending so much 'low-brow'-energy dissing the opportunities raised by a few constructive folks in these two Threads ?
No recovered 'virginity' plausible there either, it seems.

TerryLL's last comment is a 'classic', since on this Thread's subject it confirms the need for a dedicated Forum to not lose concepts, responses and opportunities; one 'Erster' for instance is enough for posterity as an admonition to lay off whatever, to not repeat his unique perspective on this plain-enough focus.

Now that this initial 'noise' may be quieting down, the initial proposition remains. Here is an opportunity to constructively post one's perspective...

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Out of lurking for one post only...

Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?

No.

Design, construction, use, resources and anecdotal references are adequately covered in existing sub-fora. Working craft topics can comfortably fit within. Encouragement for posters to use clearer titles for their new threads is to be encouraged, though.

Michael out...

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

mmd,

The aside about 'head-line' writing both recognizes the problem - and thus the validity of the Thread's initial proposal - and yet fails to address the challenge to access the archive pre post #226, this Thread December 1st, 2009.

Sounds like a problematic design-proposition, to say the least. And surprisingly WoodenBoat-unsupportive.

If commercial new-comers, for instance, don't have the time/nerves/pocket-book to be subjected to having to poke around 'in the dark' under zero-heading guidance - just keep them all out... ??

Is that a steel-, alu-, or synthetics-only door slammed in the face of anybody not deeply steeped in the dark interstecies of who did what when and why in this Forum when on which wooden working craft ?

One would want to expect better than that.

Unless this is indeed a 'private' gated-community, likely aging, self-restrictive in so many ways (as this Thread revealed startingly) and thus predictably destined to wither...

If too many folks can't even handle a serious challenge from this most-seriously WB-covered address (Phil Bolger & Friends Inc.) before 'losing it', things may be worse than the Great Recession could be held responsible for..

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Ditto from an old Bolger fan. :(

Over and out.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

This 'In', 'Over' and 'Out' business is getting a bit disturbing in a familiy-rated Forum...

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Old house in Gloucester? Too much lead in the water pipes might explain it all. Get your drinking water checked lady.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Before moving in, a complete gut-job '98-'99 by Phil and myself. And then fine rebuild including shiny new plumbing my friend, all through-out. Shiny, shiny metal would make Erster's eyes water with ... well, Christmas-type excitement - sparkly things and all.

Your reference makes me think though of 'mitigating circumstances' which would offer any sympathetic answers to the peculiar - as in incoherent for a WoodenBoat Forum - behavior of some of our contributors.

I thus venture an 'Air-quality' hypothesis to address the closed-door syndrom-related broad spectrum of indicators for said under-performance.

In conclusion, you are wrong, Mr Wright... Now that was lame.

P.S. Where've ya been, ol' pal ??

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Sorry, just considering the possibility of potential non-green consequences vis-a-vis former toxic practices in a non sustainable plumbing industry driven by low cost ease of use pardigms for high initial returns without regard to future consequences as a paradigm for behavior paterns exhibiting present day non sustainable irrational thoughts by you.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

There's a typo in there !

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Susanne, you asked a question, I gave an answer, with reasons. I think that is somewhat, er... bold of you to ascribe to me in your post #227 such motivations as being unsupportive of WoodenBoat, or that I am advocating keeping commercial boatmen off the Forum. And was your comment about "steel-, alu-, or synthetics-only" intended to categorize me as a non-wooden boat proponent? If so, it was wildly off target.

I have tried to be reasonable in my correspondence with you, have tried to assist you in your correspondence with others on the Forum, and have defended your position to others. I do not appreciate your dark inferences about my participation here. Please do not continue to twist my words and give attributions to them that I do not hold. Thank you.


Michael

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

So after a short break we are into the next set of the match, and the babble continues.

Sorry for one thing, I asked Susanne if the use of writing in bold was because she is angry. But a good friend of mine have told me, that its not the issue.
The use of writing in bold in almost all comments is done by persons who think they are enourmously important, who think they are so important that they have to emphasis what they say with writing in bold all the time, that its not enough to write in plain like the mass.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

That was exactly my read on the bolding, too. We are being spoken to, versus being spoken with.

Astroturf marketing gone awry.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

the plot thickens

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I hear you loud and clear, mmd.

The two Thread's initial proposal was to explicitly open the doors of WB' s rich body of knowledge deposited, but largely 'buried' in this Forum.

Under the 'majority's preferred model', how will your local gill-netter in search of broader options find his way through this degree of de facto Forum-Archive inaccessibility ?

Right now, who but affluent and patient retirees can afford to mine these deposits to build a readily-accessible depository of pertinent knowledge of design, construction and repair of wooden working craft ?
- Deck-construction/maintenance/repair on a wooden lobster-boat will be different than on a New York 40 or an AS-29.
- Never mind fundamentals of past and new hull-construction without piling on a massive reading list consisting in part of fine but out-of-print monographs.
- Latex housepaint will be fine for one working-craft super-structure but will be coughed-at for the 'Yacht-Club-correct' image.
- Economics-driven solutions for commercial applications will be different from 'no-expense-spared but purely conceived and executed' mega-bucks
reflexes preferred by quite a few; typically in the 'cabinet-makers' abstract of course...

This is about Internet Age-correct direct unambiguous/rapid returns access for those considering wood as the primary structural material or tempted by a good offer of a used hull. This is about inviting folks (without Erster's secret-decoder ring for instance) into this rich world of concepts, opportunities, skill-sets, tricks and good counsel.

So, put differently, what kind of a door are you opening or keeping closed for those folks ?


For the tea-leaf readers/plumbing-fascinated, psycho-babble aficionados, Erster (always thinking of him) etc. : (Bold is easier on the casual eyes, harder on some folks brains.)

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

If one cannot find a mousetrap to their liking, they should build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to their door.

Have at it, Susanne.

Re: Should this Forum have a dedicated Wooden Working Craft category ?
 

Yes, we are being spoken to, for sure.

Maybe Susanne will find out that her quest is just like when Don Quijote fought the windmills. But she has an extra problem, she´s alone. She has no Sancho Panza.

My suggestion is that Susanne forget her lobby about a working craft section here on woodenboat.com Instead she could be like the rest of us, post her ideas, questions etc in the already existing departments, and maybe someone will be interested in discussing working craft with her.